Ali Abdaal - Jim Doty

Darshan Mudbasal
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March 14, 2023

1)      Professor Jim Doty is a neurosurgeon and director of Stanford's Center for Compassion and Altruism Research and Education, and discusses his work in cultivating self-compassion and compassion towards others. He also discuss the benefits of mindfulness, which allows individuals to relax their muscles and shift from a stress mode to a rest and digest system, ultimately allowing them to be more present and focused. He also touches on the relationship between negative self-talk and mindfulness.

2)      Jim Doty explains how negative self-talk can make aperson more ruthless and less compassionate towards oneself and others. He also highlights the importance of mindfulness and the technique he developed to create compassion for self and others. Doty talks about his journey of getting interested in compassion and neuroscience while being raised in poverty and how he gathered a group of academics to explore and discuss the neuroscience of compassion. He asserts the importance of the study of compassion from an academic point of view and how it leads to better decision-making.

3)      Jim shares his experiences growing up in difficult circumstances with chronically ill and depressed parents and how he struggled due to a lack of guidance, resources, and mentors. He explains how he had a feeling of hopelessness and despair since he was 12 years old. However, his life changed when he stumbled upon a magic shop where a woman taught him a mindfulness practice that helped him relax and reduce his constant tension. This was a fundamentally mindfulness practice that helped him to develop a better perspective on life, and he attributes his success today to this chance encounter.

4)      Jim Doty shares his experience of growing up with a lot of negative thoughts due to his environment and how learning relaxation techniques and breathing exercises at the age of 12 helped him to manage his negative self-talk. He explains how humans are attuned to negativity due to an evolutionary basis, but negative self-talk can be detrimental to one's health as it stimulates the sympathetic nervous system, resulting in chronic disease states. Doty discusses how being kind to oneself and giving words of affirmation can shift an individual to engage their parasympathetic nervous system. The first step is relaxation, followed by the breathing exercise, which helps to shift an individual to the parasympathetic nervous system, and the next step is to override negative self-talk with positive affirmations.

5)      Jim speaks about how one can reduce negative self-talk by giving ourselves positive affirmations and engaging the parasympathetic nervous system. When we are kind to ourselves, we shift into the engagement of the parasympathetic nervous system, leading to an open, generous, and thoughtful approach, which allows us to deal with others in a positive way. Through this approach, we are able to connect emotionally and understand the state of others beyond their own negative self-talk. By shifting experientially, one can move into a relationship where others see kindness inus and, in return, tend to change from their end.

6)      Recommendation from the dean to apply to medical school, and Jim Doty got rejected the first two times he asked for it due to his poor academic performance. However, he realized that he needed a strategy to get the dean to listen to him, and he decided to bring the dean coffee every morning for a month. The plan worked, and the dean agreed to write the letter of recommendation. Jim then got into Tulane University in New Orleans, but faced many challenges during medical school due to his background and lack of resources. Despite this, he persisted and went on to become a successful neurosurgeon.

7)      Jim shares the story of how he persevered through a committee interview to get a letter of recommendation to gain admission to medical school. Told that it would be a waste of time to even be considered for a spot, Doty refused to leave without an appointment, and ultimately landed the highest letter of recommendation from the interviewers that initially doubted him. The experience taught Doty to never give up on his dreams and remind him that he should be the one to take control of his life. Despite the discouragement, Doty still was admitted to Tulane Medical School, and eventually became a doctor, a professor, and a successful entrepreneur in the medical industry.

8)      Jim discusses his experience endowing the dean's chair at the medical school where he once struggled as a student. He emphasizes that none of us have the ability to predict someone's success, and that the typical criteria for success, such as grades, are artificial and can be misleading. He also cautions against negative self-talk because it takes away agency and limits our ability to see other possibilities, and encourages being kind to oneself and understanding that everyone is suffering. He talks about fitting in with his peers and eventually pursuing neurosurgery residency.

9)      Jim discusses how he became interested in neurosurgery and how he ended up training in it during his time in the Army. Doty explains that he originally wanted to do craniofacial surgery in children, but decided that he didn't want to do general surgery when he was exposed to dealing with people's colons. He instead decided to apply for neurosurgery, which was highly competitive in the Army at that time, with only one neurosurgeon trained each year. Doty shares how he manifesting the opportunity by taking a month of vacation and visiting the service at Walter Reed. He eventually secured a position through a favorable turn of events after another applicant was fired. Doty also shares that Army hospitals were not exclusively for traumatic brain injuries and that they offered general medical services like any other hospital.

10)   Jim talks about his experience in the military and how he almost got sent to Grenada for one week but was fortunate enough to not be sent out into the field during the Iraq War. He also talks about how he was set to leave the military when the Kuwait Iraq thing happened and they called him back, but he was able to negotiate with the Surgeon General to let him go.

Jim Doty in podcast with Ali Abdaal

11)  Jim shares about his journey towards discovering the motivation behind people's actions - what makes them do good or not. He recounts his experience in creating a center of excellence in Mississippi and how it led him to reflect on the subject. Doty then talks about his initiative called Project Compassion, where he gathered a group of scientiststo research the topic. The results were positive, and it eventually led Doty to create the Center for Compassion and Altruism Research and Education (CCARE) at Stanford University.

12)   Jim Doty discusses the different training programs that his center has created, such as the eight-week compassion cultivation training program, which has been completed by thousands of people around the world, and the 11-month applied compassion training program geared towards those in the corporate, healthcare, and mind-body wellness fields. Doty also explains how his center conducts studies on compassion through monitoring self-reporting, biological markers like cortisol levels, and imaging studies like functional MRI. He acknowledges that while these studies may seem like they are proving the obvious, they still provide the necessary evidence for secular teachings. Lastly, Doty discusses how people who may not feel like they are naturally compassionate can still benefit from training programs like the ones offered by his center.

13)   Jim discusses the concept of effective altruism and the capacity for compassion. He describes effective altruism as rationally and cognitively assessing the most cost-effective ways to spend time, money,and resources towards making the world a better place. However, he argues that the biases people carry around with them require careful consideration, as focusing on one area too heavily can lead to neglect of another area in need. Doty suggests that developing skills through practices such as the Compassion Cultivation Training can help individuals gain more self-awareness and insight, allowing them to connect with their heart more effectively to feel a sense of altruism rather than just cognitive recognition.

14)   Jim discusses the issue of biases that exist in philanthropic donations. He argues that people who donate to charity are often privileged and inherently biased, which can lead to ineffective altruistic acts. For example, he cites the giving of mosquito nets in Africa, which allow people to survive without the resources to thrive, as a waste of resources. Instead, people should focus on issues like sanitation that would save more lives. Doty suggests that donors should be more mindful of their biases and aim to make cost-effective charitable investments while acknowledging the limitations of the algorithms used to predict their impact. They also note that removing funds from the world's ultra-wealthy families and redistributing them could solve many of the world's problems, such as poverty and lack of education and housing.

15)   Ali highlights the unfairness of economic decisions made by a group of self-interested individuals who have access to information allowing them to make huge profits at the cost of the average person. Ali argues that the best way for billionaires to be effective altruists is to giveaway 90% of their money to things that can bring a positive change instead of making minimal donations. They discuss topics such as the military budget and wretched excess that perpetuate inequalities, creating entitled people who live at the expense of the majority. Additionally, they encourage people to cultivate compassion to promote a sense of understanding and empathy, suggesting programs available to aid in this process.

16)  Jim shares a mnemonic with medical students that he believes can help them walk in the world. The mnemonic, consisting of 10 letters of the alphabet,starts with "C" for compassion for oneself and others, and ends with "L" Doty emphasizes practicing equanimity (the idea of possessing an evenness of temperament), forgiveness, and gratitude. Walking in the world with humility, integrity, kindness, and a sense of justice is also important, even recognizing the importance of people who might be at the bottom rung of the ladder. These qualities make good doctors and help with emotional wellbeing, looking beyond the ups and downs of life.

17)   Jim Doty emphasizes the importance of compassion and service to others in finding happiness and purpose. While achieving success may bring momentary happiness, lasting fulfillment comes from making a meaningful impact on others' lives. Doty also speaks of the balance between ambition and contentment, cautioning against constantly trying to show off or compete with others, and instead finding satisfaction in knowing when enough is enough.

18)   Jim discusses the difference between having enough and intentionally starving oneself to prove they have enough. He warns against the trap of chasing after external validation as the primary motivation for success, as it is an unsustainable and unfulfilling pursuit. Jim recommends focusing on effective altruism, sharing insights and inspiring others to become versions of their best selves. He also shares a conversation he had with the Dalai Lama, who believes that intentions are only important for Buddhists because they have Karma. At the core of religion and spirituality, there is the idea that life is about caring, compassion, and love, and science now validates this truth.

19)  Jim discusses the importance of setting service-oriented goals rather than selfish ones to find meaning and fulfillment in life. However, he warns that the danger is becoming so involved in helping others that it harms oneself, as craving and attachment leads to suffering. Instead, individuals must learn to set realistic goals that don't cause self-recriminations and recognize that they are still a worthy person deserving of love, even if they fail. Additionally, he relates the importance of personal relationships to the Blue Zones, places where people routinely live over a century, and emphasizes the role of compassion in achieving balance in one's personal and professional lives.

20)  Jim talks about the secret sauce of longevity: human relationships and connection. He emphasizes that having depth of relationships and being non-judgmental, accepting, and generous are the fundamentals of developing relationships. Otherwise, if a person is too goal-oriented and steps on others to get what they want, external validation won't create happiness or longevity. Doty also mentions that his life felt completely empty when it was all about money or external validation, while he had a Penthouse, Ferrari, and supermodel girlfriend, and he was never happy in that situation. Ultimately, he was miserable until he realized the secret sauce of longevity is human relationships and connection.

WRITTEN BY
Darshan Mudbasal

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