Ranveer Allahbadia - J Sai Deepak

1) Advocate J Sai Deepak discusses the difference between commercial and Constitutional litigation, emphasizing the need for forensic litigation skills in the latter. He gives examples of successful lawyers who transitioned from commercial law to Constitutional law, bringing valuable skills such as extensive reading and attention to detail. The discussion then shifts to the political climate in India, with the audience split between supporters and detractors of the current government. The extreme left, according to Deepak, includes urban elites, historians, and some religious minorities who feel their status is threatened under the currentgovernment.

2) Sai comments on the criticism towards him and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi. According to him, people are more prone to forming empty opinions and channeling their anger without proper data or evidence. Furthermore, he talks about the historical context of the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA), which aims to provide citizenship to refugees who want to stay in India, highlighting that there is no provision that deprives Indian Muslims of their citizenship. The target audience is towards refugees, not the Muslims living in India, and there is no basis to trust people from Pakistan or Bangladesh due to their actions in the past.

3) Sai discusses his thoughts on the partition and the persecution of the Ahmadiya community in Pakistan. He argues that the founding premise of the partition and the resulting creation of Bangladesh was based on the belief that Hindus and Muslims cannot live together. Deepak also questions the Ahmadiya community's stance in Pakistan and their lack of alliance with Hindus against their common persecution by the Punjabi majority. He emphasizes the importance of prioritizing national and civilizational interests over personal beliefs and ideals, commenting on the current state of the controversy surrounding the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA) and the government's lack of interest in implementing it.

4) Sai believes that even with facts and figures, intuition should be taken into account and that morale is a key factor in the success of a country. He also gives an example of Genghis Khan who brought together different people of different faiths and subjective realities to conquer Asia, highlighting the importance of unity. The advocate J Sai Deepak then talks about the importance of being honest about history and not celebrating or seeking association with the conquerors of the past.

5) Sai discusses the importance of a shared vision of the past and how the lack of it can lead to conflict. He also blames the Left for demonization and victimization of different communities and advocates for their removal from conversations between Hindus and Muslims. Deepak also mentions that the safety and future of minorities in India lie in preserving the country's accommodating character, which can only be done if the majority remains so. He notes the importance of a demographic balance in different districts across the country.

6) Sai discusses the research and facts behind his book. He cites existing primary authentic sources to capture the data from the census of a particular period, which was used to counter criticisms. He believes that the way forward is to accept history and recognize that neither of the Abrahamic faiths are native to Bharat. He emphasizes the importance of empathy towards the fact that certain faiths were imposed on the people. He also touches upon the issue of cremation and spreading of ashes and how it relates to the victimization of certain communities. In the casual Q&A round, he describes himself as a "Slytherin" who likes to unwind by practicing yoga and wearing comfortable clothes.

7) Deepak discusses his experience with martial arts and how it taught him humility and self-awareness while also functioning as a stress reliever. He also explains the importance of an "arguing Council" in the legal profession and the role of intuition and quick thinking in persuading an audience and arguing a case in court. Additionally, he describes how arguing connects the audience and speaker and requires the ability to read the room and sense which way the wind is blowing.

8) Sai talks about the people he looks up to ,including Mr. Maha lingam and the Tamil Nadu BJP President. He also mentions the actors Jimmy Stewart and Spencer Tracy, and the Indian actor Kamal Hassan. When asked about a left-wing spokesperson he would like to learn from, he mentions Noam Chomsky and Dr. Tharu, whom he describes as a dignified debater.

9) Sai predicts five things that may not exist in India in the next decade. Firstly, he believes that India may move towards a presidential-style election where people vote for individuals instead of parties. Deepak also thinks that the country may become more reliant on public transportation than cars. The third prediction involves revisiting India's disrespect towards the environment, as there has been a noticeable lack of regard for it under the current government. The fourth forecast he makes is that the left's current level of popularity may dwindle as people begin to see through their lack of research and factual evidence. Lastly, he believes that there may be a significant reduction in brain drain as more Indians will begin to invest in their home country for various reasons, including cultural bonding, being part of a growth story, and access to a support system.

10) Sai is asked about the trajectory of the current government and the possibility of it moving towards a dictatorship or single-party state. He acknowledges that there is no strong opposition, with the closest being the AAP, but also warns against exaggeration and labels given to politicians. He believes that the government should focus on delivering its promises and not be distracted by such labels.

11) Deepak is interviewed and discusses the potential future of the BJP, specifically the possibility of opposition or quality opposition coming from within society, rather than externally. He discusses the Naranda and Garam Dal, with the former focusing on infrastructure investment, and the latter asserting themselves in aggressive, "vigilante" fashions. He warns of the dangers of having first-world infrastructure but lacking cultural or civilizational identity, leading to a potential vacuum brought on by the hyper-focus on secularism.

12) Sai discusses the progress made in the state of Uttar Pradesh under the leadership of Chief Minister Yogi Adityanath, who has successfully turned around the state's reputation for progress despite inheriting communal tensions. Sai believes that the way to the future is to combine infrastructure with a clear position on law and order. He also discusses the potential weaknesses of Adityanath's appeal beyond his home territory and on the global stage, though he believes that he has the ability to work on this. He challenges the notion that Biharis lack intelligence and highlights the contributions and strengths of the Bihar community in the manufacturing sector. Finally, he talks about the potential of Bihar and Uttar Pradesh to turn around and make significant strides towards progress on anoverall level due to the sheer size and scale of their populations and resources.

13) Deepak suggests that India's three resource-rich states, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan, and Uttar Pradesh, could benefit from creating a branding economy around their unique products and intellectual property. By doing so, these states could prevent brain drain and overcrowding in cities, and incentivize the local population to stay and thrive. Sai Deepak emphasizes the importance of quality control and branding, highlighting examples of countries like France and Scotland. He also touches on the need to empower and enable local populations and encourage entrepreneurship, especially in tier two and three cities, where the start-up culture is gaining traction. However, he points out that elitism and lack of grooming skills can inhibit the growth of start-ups and entrepreneurship.

14) Deepak discusses the subjectivity of interpretation in the legal process and the need for an objective test to combat biases. He also highlights the issue of temples being under state control in 15 states, which leads to the cultural ecosystem of Hindus being disintegrated and the smuggling of artifacts. Despite the awareness level of the issue being raised in the last five years, there is still work to be done to protect the nerve center of Hindu civilization. The amount of comments requesting him to appear on the show and the work he is doing shows how he is affecting many heads and hearts.

15) Sai discusses his views on the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA), Prime Minister Modi, and democracy in India. He explains that CAA is not discriminatory against any religious community and that it is a humanitarian law aimed at protecting persecuted minorities from neighboring countries. He also defends Prime Minister Modi's democratic values and explains that India's democracy is intact. He clarifies that there is a difference between criticism and defamation and emphasizes the importance of informed debates.