Tim Ferriss - Andrew Huberman

Darshan Mudbasal
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March 10, 2023

1)      Andrew discusses the core set of foundational things that set the buoyancy or the foundation upon which our nervous system isable to accomplish transitions. These include sleep, nutrients (both macro and micronutrients), and movement. He emphasizes the importance of high-quality sleep for mental and physical health, stating that in the absence of quality sleep over two or three days, one will fall to pieces, but with sufficient quality sleep, one’s ability to function at an amazing level increases. He also discusses the role of micronutrients and supplements, pointing out that supplementation is not just limited to vitamins, and suggests that supplementation with herbal supplements like Ashwagandha and Shilajit can be useful.

2)      Huberman talks about the five core foundations of physical and mental performance: sleep, nutrients, movement, light, and social connections. He emphasizes the importance of investing in each of these categories daily, as they establish the foundation of our ability to move between desired states seamlessly. He believes that these five categories need to be re-upped every 24 hours, and if not, it will eventually lead to hitting a wall where people won't be able to do what they want to do. While acknowledging that everyone's lifestyle is unique, he emphasizes that there are ways to layer in the five foundational protocols.

3)      Andrew emphasizes the importance of taking care of oneself and loved ones, which he refers to as the five essential practices of self-care. These practices include movement, relationships, nutrition, sleep, and breathing exercises. He emphasizes the importance of these simple activities in achieving great mental health and becoming more resilient and effective. He emphasizes two practices, movement and relationships, which he has significantly changed to prioritize his physical and mental well-being. Huberman especially appreciates movement, including ski touring, as it providesa symmetrical experience, sunlight, and physical activity that uplifts both physical and mental health.

4)      Huberman discusses the importance of movement in our lives and how it is what sets us apart from other creatures. Based on studies and his collaboration with Dr. Andy Galpin, Huberman discovered that it is possible to concurrently train for several different types of fitness,including endurance, strength, hypertrophy, VO2 max, heat and cold tolerance. By designing his training schedule around targeting one specific adaptation each day, while indirectly supporting other adaptations, he has been able to create an optimal training schedule for himself that allows him to progress in various different fitness domains.

5)      Andrew talks about his routine of slow jogging or hiking for endurance for up to 90 minutes with a weight vest or backpack, focusing on nasal breathing and incorporating central pattern generators to achieve a repeated movement without voluntary attention. He explains that after the initial struggle of the first 25-30 minutes, the mind can really attend toot her things and that the neural and physiological changes that occur allow the body to become much more efficient. Huberman emphasizes the importance of zone two cardio, which is characterized by being able to have a conversation, butnot really wanting to, as it checks off the box of endurance for the week.

6)      Andrew discusses his Monday workout routine and whyit's important to train legs, stating that the data that he has seen on longevity, sports performance, and overall health are so strongly rooted in the legs. He suggests a leg workout that includes warming up with tibialis raises,which involves bringing the toes closer to the kneecap to generate a stride without having floppy feet. He believes that training tibialis not only makes calf work more effective but also helps the posture, reduces sciatica lean in pain, and prevents knee, back and shoulder pain.

7)      Andrew discusses his lower body workout routine, which includes tib work, calf raises, lying leg curls, glute-ham raises, leg extensions, and hack squats. He emphasizes the importance of working both sides of the limb and alternating between strength and hypertrophy training. He also explains why he prefers hack squats over other forms of squats and how his workout routine is designed to maintain strength and aesthetics without gaining excess weight or risking injury. He attributes his postural pain relief to incorporating tib work into his routine based on the teachings of BenPatrick, also known as Knees Over Toes Guy.

8)      Huberman discusses the benefits of exercising the legs for physical and cognitive performance. He focuses on the hack squat, a squat where one's back is against a sled and feet are on a 45-degree slope. If one does not have access to a hack squat machine, Huberman recommends doing weighted sissy squats, which involve holding onto a plate and squatting downwhile holding onto a pole. Huberman emphasizes that training the legs is imperative for cognitive improvement and creating a systemic anabolic effect on the body. Lastly, Huberman talks about how his heavy leg workout on Monday shelps him in his work and cognitive tasks throughout the week.

9)      Huberman discusses his Tuesday routine, which is focused on recovery and maximizing the effects of deliberate heat and cold exposure. He warns against cold water immersion after hypertrophy training a sit can blunt hypertrophy, which requires inflammation. After a 20-minute hot sauna, Huberman spends 3-5 minutes in a cold plunge up to the neck, then repeats the cycle several times. This allows him to recover and get hormone neurotransmitter adaptations that improve his ability to tolerate heat and cold. On Wednesday, he either does a shorter duration cardiovascular training workout or works on his upper body, focusing on chest and shoulders with overhead shoulder presses and ring dips. He also shares that he doesn't train his back every week due to his genetic abnormality where his back grows easily and can throw off his proportions quickly.

10)   Andrew stresses the importance of having a strong neck to ensure a strong spine and to avoid injuries in sports, martial arts,and even while driving. He explains that one's posture and presence naturally improve when the neck is trained, as a "flaccid" neck causes the head to fall towards the chest. Tim shares that he purchased a four-way neck machine for $350 on Amazon and uses it for his neck training, while Dr.Huberman recommends using a towel-wrapped plate to perform exercises in the 10-15 repetition range. He concludes that neck work is critical and helps with overall balanced strength and proportions, which ultimately lead to fewer postural issues and injuries.

Andrew Huberman in conversation with Tim Ferriss

11)   Huberman emphasizes the importance of neck training for both men and women to achieve strength, protection of joints, and confidence. He suggests that neck training explicitly increases confidence by enabling the embodiment of a different psychological stance. He also shares his weekly workout schedule, including a cardiovascular workout, a weight workout, short training to increase VO2 max and hit the legs indirectly, and a small muscle group workout for biceps, triceps, rear delts, and tips and calves.

12)   Huberman discusses his workout routine and emphasizes the importance of incorporating endurance, leg strength, cold and heat adaptation, and neural training into a weekly schedule. He suggests a workout plan that includes hiking, running, resistance training, and play while keeping workouts relatively short to avoid higher cortisol levels that can lead to feeling lousy and poor recovery. Huberman also notes the importance of balancing muscular and nervous system recovery and emphasizes the benefits of engaging in low-stakes movement and play for enjoyment outside of regular exercise.

13)   Huberman explains why training the tibialis muscle is a game-changer and how one can do that without specialized equipment. He suggests a movement where you rest your shoulders against a wall and make yourbody rigid and your heels are about a foot out in front of you. Then, you touch your toes down to the floor and back up. This exercise strengthens the tibs and improves ankle position. He also talks about a study from the University of Houston where they had people do a seated calf raise to improve insulin sensitivity, which is something that a lot of people can do who are trying to improve their metabolic status. Dr. Huberman also talks about how he tracks his progress when exercising and believes that one can obtain multiple exercise adaptations at once.

14)   Andrew and Tim Ferriss discuss their workout routines and the importance of sleep. Huberman explains that he tends to be his own coach during workouts, focusing on pushing himself to improve rather than analyzing his metrics in-depth. As for sleep, Huberman still uses the same sleep stack of magnesium threonate, theanine, and apigenin, occasionally adding 900 milligrams of myo-inositol to help him fall back asleep after waking up to use the bathroom. Additionally, he shares that how quickly you ingest fluid scan also affect urination throughout the night, and suggests sipping fluids before bed and gulping them down in the morning. Ferriss asks Huberman to choose his two favorite supplements from the ones he takes, and he selects magnesium threonate and apigenin.

15)   Huberman discusses the importance of differentiating the first half of the day from the second half when it comes to optimizing physical and mental performance. The morning part of the day should include sunlight or bright artificial light and the consumption of hydration, caffeine, movement, and bright light. It is important to have cortisol and catecholamine levels elevated in the morning but taper off later in the day to avoid disrupting sleep and causing depression. Dr. Huberman also discusses the importance of rapid eye movement sleep and how high-intensity interval training early in the day or cycling can greatly improve different stages of sleep.

16)   Huberman and Tim discuss the benefits and drawbacks of taking fish oil supplements. Huberman recommends taking a minimum of one gram per day of EPA and suggests the Carlson's brand as the most cost-effective option for getting fish oil. He notes that high-quality fish oil has been shown to have anti-depressant effects in clinical trials and can help individuals reduce their intake of anti-depressants or come off of them entirely by increasing their omega-3 intake. Additionally, Huberman explains that EPA isa fundamental structural lipid for neuronal membranes and affects the neurons that release neuromodulators such as serotonin and dopamine. The gut also plays a part in mood regulation, as the neuropod cells signal the dopamine centers of the brain regarding the type of nutrients that are coming into the body.

17)   Andrew discusses how neurons in the gut signal satiety and how our craving for fatty acids and essential amino acids make us foraging machines. Eating fish high in Omega-3 or taking small amounts ofL-glutamine can help reduce sugar cravings by activating the same neural pathways. Fermented foods are also beneficial for gut health and eating three or four servings of low-sugar fermented foods, such as natto, sauerkraut orkimchi, can improve gut health. While high-dose probiotics can be expensive,low-sugar fermented foods are a cheaper alternative.

18)   Huberman discusses Rhodiola rosea, a supplementthat falls into the category of adaptogens. While other adaptogens typically reduce cortisol levels, Rhodiola rosea helps to greatly reduce perceived effort and increase power output and endurance output without suppressing cortisol. This makes it ideal for use prior to workouts such as resistance training, skitours, or other high intensity or long duration exercise. It reduces the total amount of adrenaline released, which means that one can generate the same amount of physical output without the same amount of energy-depleting neurochemicals. It also seems to catalyze recovery better, although it is recommended to not take it more often than just before training as its effects may taper off if taken all day every day.

19)   Andrew talks about two supplements, Tongkat Ali and Fadogia Agrestis. Tongkat ali is an Indonesian ginseng that decreases sexhormone-binding globulin, freeing up testosterone, leading to mild libido enhancement, increased well-being, and energy in both men and women. He recommended the dosage of 400mg/day take early in the day before sleep to increase energy. Fadogia agrestis stimulates the release of luteinizing hormone, which increases testosterone output in men and estrogen and testosterone in women by increasing luteinizing hormone. The recommended dosage for Fadogia is between 300-600mg/day, taken with or without food. Huberman advises that there is no need to cycle these two supplements if the dosages mentioned above were taken, as they continue to work.

20)   Huberman and Tim discuss male fertility, including methods to optimize both fertility and vitality, such as monitoring sperm parameters, freezing sperm, and cycling supplements like Tongkat Ali and Fadogia agrestis. They also discuss the use of exogenous testosterone like testosterone cypionate and ways to tickle endogenous testosterone production pathways, like consuming 900 milligrams of myo-inositol or using Shilajit to stimulate the release of FSH and spermatogenesis. Dr. Huberman also credits Ferriss for pointing out that optimizing fertility is equivalent to optimizing vitality.

21)   Andrew explains that vitality is about waking up feeling well enough to complete the day with enough energy while being able to move back and forth along the continuum of driven and relaxed. He believes that this is the definition of mental health as the ability to generate effort with feelings of accomplishment, to relax and to restore your system, thus moving from driven to reflective continually. The ability to lean into effort, generate effort, overcome fear, and birth new ideas, whether offspring or businesses, comes from the same place of energy. Huberman thinks the catecholomines play a role in creating drive, dopamine, epinephrine, and norepinephrine, and that both serotonergic systems and endogenous opioids systems help smooththings out, but with the absence of dopamine, we wouldn't be here.

22)   Andrew discusses the effect that pornography and masturbation can have on young men. He explains that while masturbation is not necessarily harmful, men who engage in excessive amounts of it and pornography consumption report lower moods and less willingness to pursue healthy relationships. These behaviors can contribute to difficulties navigating healthy and consensual sexual relationships. Dr. Huberman recommends supplements like Fadogia to those looking to increase their libido and pursue healthy sexual relationships.

23)   Andrew discusses how age affects fertility for males and females, and how to optimize sperm and egg health. After 42 and a half, females can only create embryos and freeze them as the eggs are too aged out. For males, there is an increase in the incidence of autism with each half a decade for the father, but the increase is still incredibly small overall. Huberman then gives recommendations for sperm and egg health, such as quality sleep on a regular basis, getting sufficient Omega-3fatty acids, and avoiding smoking cigarettes, vaping, and cannabis. He also explains that keeping the cellphone in one's pocket decreases sperm quality,which means forward motility, the number of healthy sperm per ejaculate, and more.

24)  Huberman discusses the heat effects of cell phones and how they can impact sperm health and testosterone production, citing a study that shows a low threshold beyond which you start seeing damaging effects. He advises not keeping phones in your front pockets and turning them off or putting them in a backpack or shoulder pocket as a way to reduce EMF and heat exposure. He also explains the correlation between sperm health and testosterone production and the importance of having healthy sperm for natural conception and IVF.

25)  Andrew discusses the impact of alcohol on egg quality and fertility. He explains that beyond two or three drinks per week, there are reductions in egg quality that are probably indirect, through effects on sleep and changes in stress hormones. He also recommends that women who are struggling with fertility freeze sperm, eggs or embryos as it can be a less expensive and less emotionally fraught option for those wishing to conceive. Additionally, Huberman discusses how exposure to environmental toxins, such as BPAs, can impact reproductive health and notes that handling printed receipts is the largest source of exposure for BPAs.

26)  Huberman discusses the impact of phthalates, pesticides, alcohol, and other substances on physical and mental health. He notes that phthalates can be found in plastic products, but the most significant exposure comes from handling receipts, which contain endocrine disruptors. In terms of exposure to pesticides, it is actually those in rural areas who are most at risk, through airborne pesticides from dust cropping, rather than those living in cities. Meanwhile, alcohol is a toxin that can have negative effects on health with more than two drinks per week, and cocaine can have serious health consequences, particularly with the prevalence offentanyl-laced street drugs. When it comes to cannabis, the effects depend on the individual and low doses of THC can have benefits for insomnia.

27)  Andrew discusses cannabis and its impact on mental health, particularly for young males in their teens and early 20s who take high-THC-containing cannabis. He emphasizes the importance of the ratio of THC to CBD and the other chemical compounds in cannabis, as well as the method of consumption, stating that smoking or vaping cannabis is worse for you than edibles or tinctures. He acknowledges that cannabis has therapeutic benefits, but warns against high-potent THC cannabis and its ability to trigger psychotic episodes later in life.

28)  Huberman and Tim discuss their concerns about the use of cannabis, particularly high-potency THC-containing cannabis by young people, versus occasional use by adults. Huberman sees a failure to launch component with young people who rely on cannabis to relieve anxiety and who have not managed to keep up with peers. While Huberman acknowledges the therapeutic applications of cannabis and allits constituent parts, he still worries about the use of high-potency compounds in youths. Ferriss adds that users should consider cannabis as high risk as some strong psychedelics, be informed, and be cautious about their use.

29)  Huberman discusses the progress towards the legalization of MDMA in the US for use in psychotherapy, and a longer road for psilocybin. He recounts his personal experiences with LSD and psilocybin both recreationally and during physician-guided sessions for traumausing MDMA, which he found immensely beneficial. He also shares insights from his colleagues' work on the safety profiles and therapeutic effects of psilocybin, including its potential to treat intractable depression

30)  Huberman discusses the premium channel of his Huberman Lab podcast, which is designed to raise revenue for human studies related to topics such as transcranial magnetic stimulation combined with psychedelics. He praises Tim for being an early supporter of science philanthropy and working to turn psychedelic compounds into therapeutically meaningful tools.

31)  Huberman discusses his experiences with MDMA and how it helped him deal with his emotions and establish boundaries. He had three sessions with MDMA, each one providing him with different insights and benefits, such as deep acceptance, forgiveness, and the ability to separate his emotions and experiences from others. While he was afraid of the standard risks, Huberman found himself getting better and better at self-care and introspection after each session. He also talks about his hesitations and concerns with psilocybin, but acknowledges the importance of addressing and understanding one's psyche for better mental and emotional health.

32)  Tim and Andrew talk about their changed approach towards clinical studies of psychedelic treatments. They discuss the importance of fundamental research and mention the risks associated with investigating these treatments. However, they both express excitement forthe potential benefits of these treatments for millions of people struggling with mental health issues such as depression and anxiety. They also mention the importance of proper sourcing of these compounds and suggest obtaining drug testing kits from organizations like DanceSafe. They conclude by discussing the future of psychedelic treatments and the potential for new derivatives and non-psychedelic options.

33)  Huberman talks with Tim about the potential of psychedelic therapies to help with intractable depression, trauma, and suicide risk. He mentions that there is a lot of potential goodness that could come from these therapies, but it requires the proper implementation and caution with the use of psychedelics. Huberman stresses the importance of following the money and being wary of companies that tout maintenance drugs from these therapies

34)   Huberman recommends several resources for people interested in staying updated on the latest research in fields like neurobiology, therapy, and human performance. These resources include TheMicrodose, a weekly news bulletin from UC Berkeley, How to Change Your Mind, a book by Michael Pollan on the history and science of psychedelics, and The Healing Journey by Claudio Naranjo, which provides insights into how some psychotherapists have worked with these substances.

 

WRITTEN BY
Darshan Mudbasal

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